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to the silly name btw, not the latter
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And tulpa is established, it's an english-ified term, it's got a little icon, lots of people know the name already. Any other name will just become akin to daemonism, a new branch of "tulpa-like" things.
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 7:37 PM
"tulpa" is fine
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Just drop the mancy part
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Ahh, you might find more success with that, but you're going to have to deal with people like me. Change does not come easy, and even if I resolved to not doing so, I'd probably be back to saying tulpamancy within a week.
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 7:40 PM
Which is why in order to do it, you would need a campaign of the admins politely correcting people every time they used the wrong term
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It would annoy people but it's the only way
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And, honestly, I do feel that the more we focus on changing others, the less successful and happy we will be. I have to teach that lesson to myself again and again and again, but I find things a lot better when I start focusing just on being here to talk to people rather than with some grand ambition.
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 7:40 PM
Hehe, well that's fair enough
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For me the ambition is why I'm here, though
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I want the best for tulpas, and improving the community is integral to getting that
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If someone is ashamed of having a tulpa, that will negatively impact their tulpa
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I feel you are treading dangerous ground with that
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for the higher good is not good at all.
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 7:41 PM
Having the community not be a global joke would open up all sorts of opportunities for people
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I'm not sure what you mean?
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This isn't some abstract greater good; everyone would benefit from this
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Truth comes through distributed decision making. The community at large is incredibly intelligent, and responds to pressures and effects far wider and scope than you or I are aware of. It should be left to behave naturally, and the only source from which the community should ever change is through the community coming to agreement as a whole over time.
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 7:45 PM
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I think a more active method of change is better.
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Throughout history, large-scale change has always had to be triggered by something, even if it then takes a long time to take effect.
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It comes across as well, in saying that the admins ought to ban or restrict speech or the use of some terms in order to encourage the use of other terms. I do not support that idea at all, but I would be happy if instead it came about because some subsection of the community just started using terms on their own and change derived from there.
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 7:46 PM
I didn't necessarily mean to ban those terms, but just to remind people to try and use the new terms
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Banning them would be a bit overkill, yeah
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Any action from a position of authority of that form, I feel, is a gross misuse of that authority.
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There may be some exceptions, but I'm skeptical of it in general
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If you want to see a great example of change inspired by just one person, look to the user falunel, who almost singlehandedly, in my belief, changed the tone and ideals of the subreddit by just being overall friendly and making their points from a place of good faith and belief over time.
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 7:49 PM
That works on .info and /r/tulpas, yep
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But you need a much firmer hand on Discord.
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why do you think you need to be harsher on Discord?
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Chatrooms don't work the same way as forums; information has to be repeated over and over again here, often to each person
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And there's generally a difference in tone, I think
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The information need to be kept elsewere because of that
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.info and /r/tulpas is a lot more serious than tulpa chat
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By their nature, forums discourage shitposting because you can't spew out messages very quickly
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I would really change the website filled with non-volatile information before changing chat
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They encourage people to take their time to think things over before responding
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Reddit is very much the same. We are all, the common regular users, those who set the tone of every discussion. Our positivity, or negativity, our tone and inflection and mannerisms, infect the chat way longer than we can imagine or realize. Effect way more people than we realize.
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 7:51 PM
That and a big difference is that the average age on the forums is probably a lot higher than on Discord
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I have no proof but it seems like it
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14 year olds don't usually write well-thought-out walls of text
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They'd rather make sex jokes and post memes
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So they don't fit in on the forums
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 7:59 PM
It seems we can see a lot of diffent problems, complain about them and eventually don't do anything about them
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I mean, I'm trying
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Dunno if anyone else is
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Now I can see we are talking about those problems. And really not agreeing with a lot of things.
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Well, my ideas are quite controversial lul
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Still, we have problems with identifying the problems, not really with execution yet
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But even with the Reddit and forums you just see a lot of the same info over and over again
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 8:03 PM
I mean, I think I've identified them pretty well
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The other big one than terminology is the fact that people are shitty hosts
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Just look at the amount of big titty anime tulpas
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 8:04 PM
It is a disturbingly high amount
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you're going to have that facet no matter what you end up doing
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people are shallow. And especially if you want to start bringing in outsiders? that number is going to skyrocket
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 8:04 PM
It's a bit blunt but honestly, I think shaming people for having an obviously-sexualised tulpa form would probably be a good thing
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i doubt that it would really change much (edited)
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 8:05 PM
I mean, it'd make me feel good about myself, at least
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Seriously though
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What did gwar say? "I didn't have none of this shit when I grew up. For me it was getting stuck in a gladitorial arena, yea kill or get raped that was my childhood none of this shit"
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 8:05 PM
I'm not too sexualized... I was the one that made my boobs a little bigger, after all
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Nobody thinks anything will change anything
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It's kinda forcing your ideology on othrers
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and that's fair. just saying listing it as a problem is relatively pointless, since its practically incurable
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 8:05 PM
Everyone just wants to stick their head in the sand and do nothing
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Like.. why even bother contributing if you think it's entirely hopeless
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never said that. i said that particular point is hopeless
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Honestly idgaf if people want to lewd their tups but trying to bs that not doing so with big tittie anime tulpa is kinda silly
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you can't thought police folk
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 8:07 PM
I think we don't have problems with serious degenerates here tbh
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In this server we don't
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Honestly this server has no major problems
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That I've seen yet, anyway
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Truly beautiful in comparison to the irradiated shithole that is tulpa chat <3
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Maybe the solution is just to ban under 18s (edited)
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wouldn't know. this is the only tulpa server i've been on
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Yea .info is clean as ever worst that you can say is its a little bit on the boring side
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 8:08 PM
Yeah ^
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It's typical that the reddit part of the community would be the shitty part
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please keep me
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Did you begin as an adult, @Deleted User ?
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My host started at 14, and nearly dissipated me 3 times by the time I learned to switch
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Kids aren't good at tulpamancy
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i don't think you're in any danger, Clara
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 8:09 PM
I don't think he made those mistakes because of his age
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I do
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No kids are amazing at tulpamancy, but the thing is that they are well kids
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 8:10 PM
And also, it might making you biased
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People at that age have little to no experience of life.
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Tulpamancy is creating a new life.
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They cannot possibly do it well.
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My host pulled me off pretty well
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Even if you ban them - it want stop them to try
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now they can at least ask for help
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i'd feel it depends more on maturity than age, they correlate, but it's not perfect
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 8:10 PM
It might. It may discourage them enough to not do it
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By your definition of doing it well I suppose so
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Deleted User 7/14/2018 8:11 PM
Without the community, perhaps they'd lose faith and decide it was all fake and then stop
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and would potentially deprive them of tools that could turn a potential disaster into something manageable (edited)
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